Göbekli Tepe 12,000 years old T-shaped Pillars are not Alone (not Ancient Aliens) | Damien Marie AtHope

Don’t get your facts from Ancient Aliens or other pseudo-science/pseudo-history/pseudo-archaeology shows and look for real facts or ask me or others who know the facts or what is likely to be facts in this area and not pseudo-scholarship.

Gobekli is not alone there are many megalith T pillars nor is it a one off as the uninformed Media seems to imply. And why most seem connected is in a way they are but as I told you it’s not something like aliens it’s from a similar set of religious beliefs or behaviors. Both where inspired by Eastern Hunter gathering shamans. 

“In archaeogenetics, the term Ancient North Eurasian (ANE) is the name given to an ancestral component that represents descent from the people similar to the Mal’ta–Buret’ culture or a population closely related to them. The genetic component ANE descends from Ancient South Eurasian. The ANE lineage is defined by association with MA-1, or “Mal’ta boy“, the remains of an individual who lived during the Last Glacial Maximum, 24,000 years ago, discovered in the 1920s. Populations genetically similar to MA-1 were an important genetic contributor to Central Asians, Native Americans, Europeans, South Asians, and a minor contributor to East Asians. Lazaridis et al. (2016:10) note “a cline of ANE ancestry across the east-west extent of Eurasia.” Flegontov et al. (2015) found that the global maximum of ANE ancestry occurs in modern-day Kets, Mansi, Native Americans, Nganasans and Yukaghirs. Additionally it has been reported in ancient Bronze-age-steppe Yamnaya and Afanasevo cultures. Between 14 and 38 percent of Native American ancestry may originate from gene flow from the Mal’ta Buret people, while the other geneflow in Native Americans appears to have an Eastern Eurasian origin. [4] Sequencing of another south-central Siberian (Afontova Gora-2) dating to approximately 17,000 years ago, revealed similar autosomal genetic signatures as Mal’ta boy-1, suggesting that the region was continuously occupied by humans throughout the Last Glacial Maximum. Genomic studies also indicate that ANE was introduced to Europe by way of the Yamna culture, long after the Paleolithic. The ANE genetic component is visible in tests of the Yamnayapeople, and seems to make up 50% of their ancestry indirectly. It is also reported in modern-day Europeans (5%–18% ANE admixture), but not of Europeans predating the Bronze Age.” ref 

“Eastern European Hunter-Gatherer (EHG) is a lineage derived predominantly from ANE. It is represented by two individuals from Karelia, one of Y-haplogroup R1a-M417, dated c. 8.4 kya, the other of Y-haplogroup J, date 7.2 kya, and one individual from Samara, of Y-haplogroup R1b-P297, dated 7.6 kya. This lineage is closely related to the ANE sample from Afontova Gora, dated c. 18 kya. After the end of the Last Glacial Maximum, the WHG and EHG lineages merged in Eastern Europe, accounting for early presence of ANE-derived ancestry in Mesolithic Europe. Afontova Gora 3 female individual dated to 14.7 kya is earliest known individual with the derived allele of KITLG responsible for blond hair in modern Europeans, and is recorded in Mesolithic Eastern Europe as associated with the EHG lineage .” ref 

THE TEPE TELEGRAMS: “The characteristic element of Göbekli Tepe´s architecture are the T-shaped pillars. In the older Layer III (10th millenium BC) the monolithic pillars weigh tons and reach heights between 4 m (pillars in the stone circles) and 5.5 m (central pillars). The T-shape of the pillars is clearly an abstract depiction of the human body seen from the side. Evidence for this interpretation are the low relief depictions of arms, hands and items of clothing like belts and loinclothes on some of the pillars. Often the pillars bear further reliefs, mostly depictions of animals, but also of numerous abstract symbols. Layer III is supraposed by layer II, dating to the 9th millenium BC. This layer is not characterised by big round enclosures, but by smaller, rectangular buildings. The number and the height of the pillars are also reduced. In most cases only the two central pillars remain, the biggest measuring around 1,5 m. The many T-shaped pillars all part of the ending of eastern hunter gather shamanism and the emergence of early Turkish paganism. The large pillars are so far only known from Göbekli Tepe. This may change over time however, as there now are several sites that show smaller pillars, resembling those of Göbekli Tepe´s younger layer. T-shaped pillars resembling the smaller examples from Göbekli Tepe’s Layer II were first recorded at the settlement site of Nevalı Çori. Several more sites in the near vicinity of Göbekli – Sefer Tepe, Karahan, and Hamzan Tepe – are known to have similar pillars, but no excavation work has been carried out so far. With the Neolithic site of Urfa-Yeni Yol, which seems to have revealed a small T-shaped pillar in the course of construction work in that area, with Taşlı Tepe, and with Gusir Höyük three more related sites were added to this list recently. A further addition to the sites with T-shapes is the so-called Kilisik statue, that closely resembles the general pillar form but has more naturalistic features. While most sites concentrate in a rather small radius around Göbekli Tepe, Gusir Höyük in the Turkish Tigris region [more information – external link] has considerably widened the distribution area of circular enclosures, however the pillars discovered there are slightly differently shaped – they seem to be missing the bar of the T. Similar stelae have been discovered in Cayönü and Qermez Dere. As only Gusir Höyük has been excavated, nobody can tell at the moment what the other sites might hide.” https://www.dainst.blog/the-tepe-telegrams/2016/05/08/the-current-distribution-of-sites-with-t-shaped-pillars/

“Göbekli Tepe is regarded by some as an archaeological discovery of the greatest importance since it could profoundly change the understanding of a crucial stage in the development of human society. Ian Hodder of Stanford University said, “Göbekli Tepe changes everything”. If indeed the site was built by hunter-gatherers as some researchers believe then it would mean that the ability to erect monumental complexes was within the capacities of these sorts of groups which would overturn previous assumptions. Some researchers believe that the construction of Göbekli Tepe may have contributed to the later development of urban civilization. As excavator Klaus Schmidt put it: “First came the temple, then the city.” Not only its large dimensions, but the side-by-side existence of multiple pillar shrines makes the location unique. There are no comparable monumental complexes from its time. However, since its discovery surface surveys have shown that several hills in the greater area also have T-shaped stone pillars but there has so far not been much excavation done. Most of these constructions seem to be smaller than Göbekli Tepe, and their placement evenly between contemporary settlements indicates that they were local social/ritual gathering places, with Göbekli Tepe maybe as a regional centre. So far none of the smaller sites are as old as the lowest Level III of Göbekli Tepe, but contemporary with its younger Level II (mostly rectangular buildings, though Harbetsuvan is circular). This could indicate that this type of architecture and associated activities originated at Göbekli Tepe and then spread to other sites. A 500 years younger site is Nevalı Çori, a Neolithic settlement also excavated by the German Archaeological Institute and submerged by the Atatürk Dam since 1992. Its T-shaped pillars are considerably smaller, and its rectangular shrine was located inside a village. The roughly contemporary architecture at Jericho is devoid of artistic merit or large-scale sculpture, and Çatalhöyük, perhaps the most famous Anatolian Neolithic village, is 2,000 years later. At present Göbekli Tepe raises more questions for archaeology and prehistory than it answers. It remains unknown how a force large enough to construct, augment, and maintain such a substantial complex was mobilized and compensated or fed in the conditions of pre-sedentary society. Scholars cannot interpret the pictograms, and do not know for certain what meaning the animal reliefs had for visitors to the site; the variety of fauna depicted, from lions and boars to birds and insects, makes any single explanation problematic. As there is little or no evidence of habitation, and the animals pictured are mainly predators, the stones may have been intended to stave off evils through some form of magic representation. Alternatively, they could have served as totems. The assumption that the site was strictly cultic in purpose and not inhabited has also been challenged by the suggestion that the structures served as large communal houses, “similar in some ways to the large plank houses of the Northwest Coast of North America with their impressive house posts and totem poles.” It is not known why every few decades the existing pillars were buried to be replaced by new stones as part of a smaller, concentric ring inside the older one. Human burial may have occurred at the site. The reason the complex was carefully backfilled remains unexplained. Until more evidence is gathered, it is difficult to deduce anything certain about the originating culture or the site’s significance.” https://www.triposo.com/poi/N__937866738# 

The T-pillers likely relate to the same sky-burials seen in murals at Catal Huyuk representing the types still evident relating to the religious ideas before them like shamanism.

I am confused why do people insist on saying aliens did this and it is irritating, it’s humans!

“Damien, the aliens idea doesn’t even make sense for the same reason religion doesn’t. We have no evidence of alien activity. Everything in archaeology in that period suggests humans built the temples. There are no findings of advanced technology only claims of such. The architecture possibly from similar period and possible region, may suggest people used that form of building purposefully, not the same people, possibly descendants. If not, it could be a practical design of the period or two, possessing the same religious influence and intent. People under estimate humanity’s ingenuity when passionately motivated by ideas. Even with primitive tools.”

My response,   Tell that to the guy on my other page as I have made two blogs trying to show it is all human made for religion. 

Here is the “Ancient Alien Believer” response after reading this blog I made for him, 

“What better way for aliens back then to inform us they exist by creating such structures which we modern people would have trouble creating now.”

My response,You keep believing pseudo-science even when given science? OK, whatever. I have really tried to help. ???? 

Ancient Alien Believer – “: The article above makes no effort to explain how they were created. It’s because they don’t know.”

My response, I am done trying to reason with your argument from Ignorance fallacy thinking. And I gave info on building before. I am way too busy to care to continue with you on this. An argument from ignorance (Latin: argumentum ad ignorantiam), or appeal to ignorance (‘ignorance’ stands for “lack of evidence to the contrary”), is a fallacy in informal logic. It says something is true because it has not yet been proved false. 

Ancient Alien Believer – ” you’re still a good guy.” 

 My response,  So are you, Ancient Alien Believer. 

 “Damien, the ancient alien crew are very hardcore with their cognitive dissonance, you have written a blog about having the patience to deal with people like that lol. A lot of the ancient-aliens concepts don’t even make sense or are easily debunked. The aliens just up and took all their technology and left humanity alone, for no reason, not one trace?”

Other Commenter – “I find their “ancient alien” and other conspiracy theories interesting. They do raise some good points to stuff that we don’t understand and some things that don’t match up to the known technology or tools of the time. I’m not saying that I agree but I do think it’s important to question and explore all the possibilities to understand human evolution. Keeping an open mind and all so much knowledge has been lost from it simply not being recorded or events like the burning of the library of Alexandria that who’s to say what ancients could or couldn’t do really.”

 “There has been a lot of information lost, Alexandria, Rome(fire in 63 AD). We don’t know everything nor does science make the claim. We investigate with what we have, It would make a lot more sense that the Egyptians and other people possessed technology we didn’t know about or consider. Since we don’t have a complete picture but a very good one, the pieces of the puzzle would make more sense from that rational perspective. Another idea that I have is if these were created by hunter-gathers as believed. It could be a progression with totemism and or connected to shamanism. Given that people built houses of mammoth bones from possibly religious personal usage. Group of people could create structures for gathering. Given the proximity and similar style, to me, it could be a prototype of development of building. ”

Other Commenter – “ I read part of your blogs on this, then decided to look up about the sites and I’ll be going back to it now that I have the basics to understand. One of the sites seems to have pottery skills pre-pottery from what I read. I don’t think that’s aliens but I do think it’s fascinating. Could it be x tribe was ahead of its time or common knowledge not well preserved etc. It’s a shame that things can’t be better preserved. The fact that there are partially hewn rectangles at a quarry suggests a man made venture for sure. I was reading that initially it seemed like people only came to the structure once in a while probably for a major event and some of them eventually ending up staying and building up around the initial temple structure.”